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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1985
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:27:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:I wonder how man threads there will be today of people admitting they can't do planning of any sort, even when told multiple times over the past year it was coming, with pictures no less.
In other news, I think it would be really cool if we could put smilies in thread titles.
But they weren't told, ie CCP didn't come to their house, sit down with their moms and have tea before heading down into the basement (after donning gas mask) to personally alert each and every Eve player of the coming change.
How dare any of you expect people to seek out information about a game they play and pay for. For shame you people, SHAME. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:52:00 -
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Zaryte wrote: -
Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:
For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
That changes everything...
Wait, no it doesn't, CCP and posters in multiple forums have been talking about this for a year. Last I looked (being American and I'm bad at Math), 5 months is less than a year. If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into.
If you are smart you will understand that this is a lesson Learned, if you are...other than smart....you will continue to complain despite the fact that it was your responsibility to keep informed. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:52:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Yep, I agree with every single person who replied. The new skill tree was published long long ago. Sorry you had your head in the sand for the last several months. File a petition, see if CCP will exchange your skill points, my guess is they will not.
On an unrelated note: I like the new tree A LOT! Now instead of wasting time training to fly a ship you don't plan to fly, you train skills to help you fly the desired ship better. At least for the most part that is what happened.
Long overdue change if you ask me. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1988
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:08:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Zaryte]
If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into.. All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there. I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.
LOL I got this vision of you shouting at your computer "WHY WASN"T I INFORMED!" after the patch.
Sorry, In EVE (unlike many video games which hold your hand) YOU have a certain responsibility to yourself and your enjoyment of the game. You cannot expect people to do it for you. The information was available in easily accessible format in multiple places, but again you admitting that you didn't even know about this expansion till two weeks ago demonstrates that you haven't taken that responsibility.
In EVE as IRL, being irresponsible comes at a steep price. You Price is 24 days.... |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1991
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:36:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Tea Leaves wrote: You're not the victim here, you're a ****** who apparently doesn't know how to read.
Yep, that's got to be it. Great input.
It actually is.
EVE is a game that punishes bad thinking, recklessness, carelessness and irresponsiblity. It's one of the few games that (for the most part) treats it's players like adults. The expecations on aare HIGH.
If you NEED an in-game direct and specific mail regarding information that could affect you, you are (wait for it) simply playing the wrong game. CCP doesn't hand-hold, THAT is what makes it a great game.
Stop failing, take responsibilty from you actions and grow into the game. Or keep whinning, your choice. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1992
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:13:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:I think i'm starting to get the trend here.
New players = Stupid and should not even try to play the game
Voicing opinions on forums = Attack player at once, regardless of thread's content.
Every single reply so far (except one) has been telling me that I didn't go and look for the information. If this information is so obvious and in my face like you're all saying then why did I not know? Obviously the information was not in a place that is seen by all players, including the new ones such as myself.
The bottom line there would've been not a single player left in the dark if CCP had just sent a mail to everyone It would be in the players face every time they logged in until they actually opened it and read it.
Hiding it on the side of a launcher is not good enough.
Forums are the last place I would go for useful information because it's populated by vicious, elitist, unforgiving trolls who can only offer information on how much of an idiot you are.
YES, I will concede. This could all have been avoided if I had come to the forums and stumbled on the relevant link to the skill training changes. However that just simply shifts the blame off of CCP and on to the new guy that doesn't know what he's doing in this VERY complex game for which it is so infamous for.
You cannot blame the newbie for not branching out to every source out there for tips on how not to get screwed over. This is unacceptable and more blame should be placed on CCP.
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*Shields face from the incoming abuse*
You're jsut the perpetual victim aren't you?
The problem with victimhood is that bad things keep happening to you because when you blame others for your mistakes, you don't LEARN anything from the mistakes.
That's the disservice you are doing yourself. Time and time agian EVE and it's community is going to whip you and you will lose over and over again because you give in to the urge to think someone else is at fault. By trying to avoid the psycological pain of admitting that you were wrong, you're simply going to set the stage for more failures.
To each his own, but I feel sorry for you. You can hide behind you victimhood and call me a troll, but dep down you know what Im saying to you is true and you also know my advice would help you if you took it. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1998
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:57:00 -
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This guy is hopeless and will never get it.
EVE is an adult game. CCP isn't into hand holding (unless your name is "Sony"..... ).
EVE has a tradition of "out of game" tools (EFT, Evemon, EVE-Survival, the wiki etc etc) and indirect communication with it's players (communicating through blogs, the CSM etc). It's not like other games where you can just pull up and in-game guide that tells you everything you want to know and it's not a game where the developers are going to send you mail about stuff YOU should know or be looking for yourself.
He reminds me of the guy I once argued with on this forum who D/L'd EVE, paid for an account (didn't do any trial) then came on here complaining because this space ship game is unrealistic and doesn't have Newtonian physics and how dare I suggest a supposed grown man actually READ UP on a game before deciding to spend real life money on it.....
The OP just doesn't understand any of that, he thinks that because he wasn't sent a fedex package containing a flashing light saying "warning, changes coming" that CCP failed. Like the Newtonian Physics guy, he doesn't understand that the real problem is his way of thinking and doing things, not the fact that a game company doesn't broadcast information in a way he finds acceptable.
He says he's not 100% to blame. GOOD EVE players take 100% responsibility for their failures. The OP will never be mistaken for one of those lol |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1998
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:03:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Zaryte wrote:Malcanis wrote: However, since I'm your friendly player representative, I'll contract you a PERC and WILL implant to help you on your way training those 6 million SP if you like. Can't say fairer than that.
Erm.. I'm assuming you're offering me something but I don't know what that is.. I'll do a quick internet search. Thank you for the offer, regardless If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed. Incidentally ALL MMOs communicate to their playerbase via their websites. CCP are unusually diligent in also communicating via their forums. It is not practical to send an email concerning every change, as CCP make many dozens of changes in every expansion cycle, and all of them are important to someone. It's your responsibility to keep yourself informed by the official channels. I hope that you've learned that keeping yourself up to date on upcoming game changes can be very much to your advantage.
No no no Malcanis, what you say is unreasonable. It would be better if CCP sent emails to 400,000 accounts every day to detail the literally hundreds of changes (that MIGHT affect different people in different ways) that will occur in an expansion!.
CCP should have sent me a personal EVEmail telling me months ago that they were going to move the undocking button from the lower left of my screen to the upper right, now i'll have to sue them for emotional distress of looking down and left by habit and seeing nothing, as well of the physical stress of having to twitch my mouse in THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
CCP is a bad space game company and should feel bad. Ouch my wrist hurts. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1999
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:09:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:This guy is hopeless and will never get it.
EVE is an adult game. Incorrect. Jenn aSide wrote:EVE has a tradition of "out of game" tools (EFT, Evemon, EVE-Survival, the wiki etc etc) and indirect communication with it's players (communicating through blogs, the CSM etc). Like I've already said, many times. I'm a new player. What good is tradition or history for a new player? Oh wait you expect me to take a history class on EVE for that, don't you?
Yep, if using Google can be called a history class. You yourself said you heard of Odyssey 2 weeks ago, that was 14 days where it could have danwed on you "hey, the game is changing, I better read up".
But you didn't.
Look at the time you've wasted trying to defending your own incompetence and mistake when you could have been learning something. Doesn't it tell you something that so few of your fellow players aren't on your side?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2001
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:27:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNj2BobjJ4
Zaryte wrote:
Players don't need to read about what's changing. Many of us are happy to play the game as it is when the new expansion comes out.
However that being said, I have watched every video CCP has posted on YouTube and nowhere was it even mentioned that ship skill prerequisites would be changed. That's plenty of interest on my part. I watched them because they interested me, not because I felt the need to do it for my own protected.
If you confine yourself to only that which "interests" you and don;'t seek out the things you NEED to know to be succesful at this game/hobby, that's you fault.
It's like talking to my kid. She can recite word for word the lyrics to the newest pop song after hearing it twice but then comes asking me for help with her homework. If she paid near as much attention to what she NEEDS to do as what she WANTS to do those B+s and A-s on here report card would be A+s lol.
You sound the same. You didn't do your homework son, and are now sentenced to 3 weeks of training detention. Do your homework next time. And don't forget to brush.
Quote: My fellow players? Give me a break. If I've learned anything from my forum experience over the past two days it's that "my fellow pilots" are my enemies and they certainty aren't on my side.
You are your own worst enemy. Look at how hard it is for you to take responsibility even in a video game. People who do that are usually the type that go to great lengths to avoid psychological pain. But psychological pain (and learning how to deal with it) is a part of modern gaming.
If you whine this much because you didn't read up on an expansion before it was published, I do NOT want to see how you will react the 1st time you lose an expensive space ship lol. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2015
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:18:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
You are your own worst enemy. Look at how hard it is for you to take responsibility even in a video game. People who do that are usually the type that go to great lengths to avoid psychological pain. But psychological pain (and learning how to deal with it) is a part of modern gaming.
If you whine this much because you didn't read up on an expansion before it was published, I do NOT want to see how you will react the 1st time you lose an expensive space ship lol.
Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault. CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong. This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated. Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs. I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.
I'm a harsh man (with a white girl avatar) in a harsh game. LIFE is harsh, you either deal with it like an (in-game immortal space) man or you curl up and cry in a corner while begging for mommy because you met some (in-game immortal space) dudes how have a Penchant for buggery.
But honestly, I and others have pointed out your mistakes and bad thinking, it doesn't matter to anyone else if you don't get it and grow from the experience. Keep thinking CCP is going to compensate you for not being smart enough or proactive enough.
Good luck.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2015
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:19:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcanis wrote:Mr Bimble wrote:Bunch of cunts.21 days to fly a ship Ive been flying for ages.So much for if you could fly it before you can fly it now.And I don't spend hours reading forums to find out information with so many trolls and wankers making useless comments.ccps information conveyance is ****.Totally ******* useless What ship is it that you can't fly now? I bet its a frieghter. No Advanced Spaceship Command Five. I wondered if he's actually tried to fly it, or if he's just run to the forums to complain. How dare you demand that people test stuff before complaining about them??? NONSENSE!!!
I know, that Mal guy is crazy. 
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2032
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:44:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: once in a while even I might stop and have a look, and if a monkey starts to throw bananas at spectators I am not disinclined to throw it back for the monkeys entertainment.
That flying brown stuff wasn't bananas....although it might have been that at one time.....
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2035
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:31:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:[quote=Zifrian] If CCP really wants to share a message with everyone and make sure everyone reads it they should make it POP up like the Downtime window, and then some people would just see a window pop and close it right away ... 
People are just like that.
Back in college I worked part time as a security guard at a hospital in a fairly rural area. The Emergency Room (ER) had 2 entrances from the parking lot/circular drive. One entrance had a person sized door and had the words "ENTRANCE" on on the glass, each letter being almost 2 inches high. The other , bigger door said "AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY" (for ambulance crews and firefighters and such) in even bigger letters.
Under that it had an arrow pointing to the right saying "all others use entrance door" or something. Below that the same instruction was re-printed in Spanish. The ambulance crew doors need a code to get in, the regular entrance door opened via motion sensor, you just walk up to it and it opens.
The ER was the only way to get into the rest of the hospital after 9pm when the front doors were closed and locked. Time and time and time and time again I'd watch people walk past the "ENTRANCE" door straight to the door that TELLS them to use the other door. Most would stand there for a while, a few would look around (but not at the writing on the literal wall), a few would even try to pry the ambulance crew door open. I'm not talking about sick people, i talking visitors casually strolling up to go visit sick people in the main hospital.
It's probably why I like EVE, I lost faith in the ability of humans to reason years ago lol |
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